Kamal Ji Acting Extraordinary…Nice Combo…

Kamal Hassan & Nepoleon both r “NATHIKAVATHI”…….THATS IS MOVIE…..

WHy does rangarja nambi sing it? He is a staunch vaishnavaite. As per his character, he shud not be singing these lines. Kamal is cleearly confused here.

Starts of by establishing his stature as a Vaishnavite… Ashta Aksharam Aerkum Nenju Panjaraaksharam Paarkathu…
and finally towards the end… sort of reahing a compromise … Theivam Endru Paarthaal Samayam Kidaiyathu…

May be this contradictive compromise is even justifyable / acceptable at that stage (when he knows his end is near)

Hence, this is indeed a song written well, sung well, composed well and picturised well. What more can be expected of a moive song?

There is a controversy prevailing about the first 20-mins of the movie “Dasavatharam” which picturises shaivities -vaishnavites war during the 12th century and Raja Kulothunga Cholan II orders to immerse the idol of “Govindarajan” (Lord Vishnu) in the sea. Those who had seen the movie might be able to recollect the scene.

But as per the original history Raja Kulothunga Cholan II wants to renovate the temple and removed the idol of “govindarajan”, so that the renovation of the temple would be easily done. I had found a wikipedia article which briefs about this incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulothunga_Chola_II

After reading this article, it will be clear that it is an unnecessary to show such a scene that would raise a controversy between brahmins.
Pls note that the said temple of “govindarajan” is one of the 108 divadesam and the idol is still there since 12th century.

Om.. Agnaa Vishnu SajoSHASEMA VARTHANTHU VAANGIRHA.
Dhyumnayir vaaje biraahatham…

Like any other movie or a book , this movie also depicts a story, expresses a collection of opinions from all the people involved in making it (though majorly of the author of the story). Like the movie did, I understand that we all are expressing our own opinions on the subject. So far so good… but, some of you seem to be trying to reason if what is said in the movie is right or wrong.. by saying ‘it could have avoided’ or like saying ‘ the song author could have not written these’ etc…

The nature of what is being dicussed here is very abstract where a general consensus could not be arrived at … this is true from the start of any civilisation of any kind… (and I suppose it will be the case until end of any and all civilisations). So, even if the authors meant to say that
1) There is no such thing as GOD / Almighty (super power) or
2) That such a thing do exist and is called Vishnu and vaishnavism is the only path to salvation or
3) The others (of other religions and other sects of the same religion including the Shivaites ) are still in their infancy of knowledge about that one thing of real existence… GOD or
4) Any other damn thing ,

it is all his/her/their voice(s) of opinions, which I believe that he/she/they have a right to express, as much as we have our rights to accept, deny or whatever… But at the end of the day nothing is gonna change (just because one opinion here was accepted by a majority of you/we people here on this discussion forum, does not mean that the truth has been found or established as truth to be accepted by others)… This will remain an abstract / relative thing and is open (will always be) to people forming and expressing their own opinions !

So, why waste time trying to win a game that will never end (for that matter why even continue playing…. may be it is ok to play ‘coz it is interesting) ?

All in all it is a just a movie made for commercial purposes (business) and some exhibited their beliefs through the characters in the film. It is the same as thousands of forums here on the net which discuss the same subject with different views being expressed. NO DIFFERENT.

As far as I’m concerned, when I was in the cinema hall watching this movie
1) I did not realise the time (3 hours) go by
2) I did not feel like going back home half way through or take a cigarette break.. oops not a socially acceptable habit – ok.. I’ll change it .. a coffee break , because I felt bored inside
3) I didn’t feel like I wasted my money, on the contrary I thought the ticket money was well spent (good value for it)
4) I had a chance to listen to the opinions of the authors, but it will not influence my opinions (which of course is irrelevant in this context) in any way
5) I felt that Kamalahasan has taken utmost pains to do all his roles, justifiably well, as much as his efforts in building up the story to bring all these characters together.

And lastly, the makers/authors of the movie along with exhibiting ‘shivaite’ fanatics in the 12th century, also exhibited scenes where the ‘PerumaL’ vigraham was being thrown about as a play thing, and the same vigraham being hidden in the sand which earlier Asin had asked if Kamal did pee on it to make it wet.. etc .. So in general I feel there was no mal intention to hurt any particular sect of people following a particular set of beliefs…..

I rest my argument.

Om, Namo bagavathe Rudraaya…
Namaste Rudra manyava uthotha ishave namaha
Yatha ishush shivathama shivam baboovathe dhanuhu….
Shiva sharavvyaa yaa thava thayaano Rudra mrudaya

Om.. Agnaa Vishnu Sajoshema vinayarthuthamgiraha….
Dhyumnayir vaaje biraahatham…

Syam

Syam

My Mantra is Anbe Sivam, Anbe Venkatachalam.

Sivam = Venkatachalam = Our Thoughts/Us

Om Namo Narayanaya..
Kallai Mattum Kandal Kadavul Theriyathu,
Just Seeing Only Stone, Thee not Seen
Note: Kallai (Stone) Mattum (Only) Kandal (Just Seeing) Kadavul (Thee) Theriyathu (not Seen)
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Kadavul Mattum Kandal Kalladi Theriyathu.. (2)
Just Seeing Only Thee, Hurting stone is not realized
Note: In this song, one of the Shaivaite will throw a stone on Kamal’s face
Note: Kadavul (Thee) Mattum (Only) Kandal (Just Seeing) Kalladi (Hurting Stone) Theriyathu (is not realized)..
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Ettil Ainthu En Kazhiyum Endrum, Ainthil Ettu Aaen Kazhiyathu
In 8 why 5 gets subtracted, why not 8 get subtracted from 5
Note (In tamil/sanskrit Ashta Aksharam means 8 Aksharam and Panjaraaksharam is 5 Aksharam)
Note: Ettil (In Ainthu (5) En (Why) Kazhiyum (subtracted) Endrum (gets), Ainthil (In 5) Ettu (8) Aaen (Why) Kazhiyathu (not get subtracted)
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Ashta Aksharam Aerkum Nenju
Our heart allows only Ashta Aksharam
Note: Ashta (8) Aksharam (Aksharam) Aerkum (allows only) Nenju (Our Heart)
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Panjaraaksharam Paarkathu
and not Panjaraaksharam
Note: Panjaraaksharam (Pamjaraaksharam) Paarkathu (and not allow)
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Voonak Kannil Parthaal Yaavum Kutramthaan
Everything is wrong, for a bad eye (Everything is bad, if seen by a bad eye)
Note: Voonak (Bad) Kannil (eye) Paataal (seen) Yaavum (everything) Kutramthaan (is wrong)
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Nyanak Kannil Paataal Yaarum Suttamthaan
Everything is clear for a wisdom eye (Everything is clear if seen by a wisdom eye)
Note: Nyanak (Wisdom) Kannil (eye) Paataal (seen) Yaarum (everything) Suttamthaan (is clear)
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Mannuga Thillai Valarga Nam Baththargal, Vanjjagar Poy Agala,
Let us all devotees in this land succeed, and bad mouth lies die out
Note: Mannuga ( land) Thillai (in this) Valarga (succeed) Nam (us) Baththargal (devotee), Vanjjagar (bad mouth) Poy (lies) Agala (die out),
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Ponnin Sey Mandabaththu Ulle Pugundhu, Buvani Ellam Vilangga,
Let the Ponnin’s son’s act of going into temple, make the entire world knowledgeable
Note: son of Ponnin is Kulothunga Chozhan, the King who was keen on drowning the Lord Ranganatha (Idol) and Rangarajan (Kamal)
Note: Ponnin (Ponnin) Sey (son) Mandabaththu (temple) Ulle (inside) Pugundhu (going into), Buvani (world) Ellam (entire) Vilangga (make knowledgeable),
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Pallandu Pallandu Pallayirathandu, Pala Kodi Nurayiram,
Mallanda Thin Thole Manivanna, Nin Sevadi Sevvi Thiruk Kappu
Let your act and deed, mark you and your name in the history for 1000+ years
Note: Pallandu (Many Years) Pallandu (Many Years) Pallayirathandu (Many 1000 years), Pala Kodi Nurayiram (many Crore 100 thousands),
Mallanda (million years) Thin Thole Manivanna (your Name), Nin Sevadi (Your Act) Sevvi ( and your deed) Thiruk Kappu (mark in the History)
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Illai Endru Sonna Pinbum Indriamaiyathu
Even after telling No, still there is no replacement to Thee
Note: Illai (No) Endru (even) Sonna (telling) Pinbum (after) Indriamaiyathu (still there is no replacement to Thee)
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Thollai Thanthabothum Engal Thillai Maarathu (2)
Even after Hurting us, we/ our thoughts will not change
Note: Thollai (Hurting) Thanthabothum (Even after) Engal (We/Our) Thillai (Thoughts) Maarathu (will not change) (2)
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Verasaivargal Munnal Engal Veeravainavam Thorkathu
In front of powerful Shaivait, our supreme Vaishnavite will not fall
Note: Verasaivargal (powerful shaivait) Munnal (in front of) Engal (our) Veeravainavam (supreme Vaishnavite) Thorkathu (will not fall)
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Mannan Solluku Anji Enrum Maerkae Sooriyan Udikkathu
In fear of Kings Word, at anytime Sun won’t raise at west
Note: Mannan (of Kings) Solluku (words) Anji (In fear) Enrum (at anytime) Maerkae (at west) Sooriyan (Sun) Udikkathu (won’t raise)
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Raaja Lakshmi Naayagan Srinivasanthaan
Husband of Raaja Lakshmi is the Lord Srinivasan
Note: Raaja Lakshmi (Raaja Lakshmi) Naayagan (Husband) Srinivasanthaan (Lord Srinivasa)
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Srinivasan Sei Intha Vishnuthaasanthaan
The Servant of Lord Srinivasa is this Vishnu devotee me
Note: Srinivasan (Lord Srinivasan) Sei (servant) Intha (this) Vishnuthaasanthaan (Vishnu devotee)
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Naatil Undu Aayiram Rajaraajar Thaan
Your position might be the King of the Town
Note: Naatil (of the Town) Undu (your) Aayiram (position) Rajaraajar (the King) Thaan (might be)
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Rajanukku Raajan Intha Rangaraajan Thaan
But King of the Kings is this Rangarajan
Note: Rajanukku (of the kings) Raajan (King) Intha (is this) Rangaraajan (Rangarajan) Thaan (but)
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Neerukullae Mooikhinalum Neethi Saagathu
By drowning into water, Truth won’t die
Note: Neerukullae (into water) Mooikhinalum (by drowining) Neethi (truth) Saagathu (won’t die)
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Nenjukullae Vaazhum Engal Jothi Saagathu (2)
The burning light in our heart won’t die
Note: Nenjukullae (in heart) Vaazhum (burning) Engal (our) Jothi (light) Saagathu (won’t die)
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Veesum Kaatru Vanthu Vilakanaikum
The storm can blow-out the lamp,
Note: Veesum Kaatru (The Storm) Vanthu (can) Vilakanaikum (blow-out the lamp)
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Vennilavai Aathu Anaithiduma
But not the Moon (can that blow-out the Moon?)
Note: Vennilavai (the Moon) Aathu (that) Anaithiduma (can blow-out?)
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Kottum Vaanmazhai Nilam Nanaikum
The falling Sky Rain can drench the Land
Note: Kottum (The falling) Vaanmazhai (Sky Rain) Nilam (the land) Nanaikum (can drench)
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Antha Vaanam Thannai Aathu Aanaithiduma
But not the Sky (can that drench the Sky?)
Note: Antha (the) Vaanam (sky) Thannai Aathu (that) Aanaithiduma (can drench?)
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Saivam Endru Paarthaal Theivam Theriyathu
If you see only Saivam, Thee is not seen!
Note: Saivam (Saivam) Endru (If you) Paarthaal (see only) Theivam (Thee) Theriyathu (is not seen!)
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Theivam Endru Paarthaal Samayam Kidaiyathu..
If you see only Thee, time is not defined..
Note: Theivam (Thee) Endru (If you) Paarthaal (see only) Samayam (Time) Kidaiyathu.. (is not defined)
(Kallai Mattum..)
Regards
Sriram Gopalan

FAQs on Dasavatharam

Some guys have claimed they haven’t understood chaos theory which plays such an important part in the film. As a physics student, I’ve decided to explain it a bit so that people can appreciate the brilliance of the film.

What is Chaos theory ?
Basically a chaotic system is one wherein long term predictions are impossible. Like for example, if I push a car, I know that it is going to move and it will continue to do so if I go on pushing it on and on. However, in a chaotic system, this situation cannot be predicted over a long period of time. Weather, for example, is a chaotic system. No matter how good your instruments are, you simply cannot predict the weather with 100 per cent accuracy over a long term basis and forecast it.

What is the Butterfly Effect?
It is the most important component of a chaotic system. Basically, small perturbations results in amplifications which completely destroys the original nature of the system and makes prediction impossible. If a butterfly flaps its wings in Africa, it could result in
a cyclone in USA.(Mark the word COULD.) A highly dumbed down explanation of the butterfly effect is in the film Anniyan, where Vikram’s sister dies because a liquor shop owner sells liquor on a dry day.

OK, how does Dasavatharam incorporate it?

In essence, Dasavatharam talks about eight characters who are inconsequential as such, but are integrated in a larger picture. Without Bush, the plane would have been called back. Without Shinghen, Govind would be dead. Without the tsunami, the world would have been destroyed. Even Krishnaveni (the old woman) plays a very important role. If she had not put the vial in the idol, maybe Govind would have recovered it then and there and a powerful weapon would have been unleashed. The very fact that it went into the idol meant that it was being accelerated to its destiny. Without Kaifulllah Khan, Govind would have never escaped… the list simply goes on.

OK, so does the film talk about theism or atheism?
Neither. It talks about how humans drive the destiny of the world.

The idol that is drowned in the sea along with Rangarajan in 12th century by Chozha king results in a fault being developed at the bottom of the ocean and creates tremors more than 800 years later. These tremors result in the Tsunami. This again is a classic case of Butterfly Effect wherein a seemingly inconsequential event (the drowning of the idol) saves Tamil Nadu from being wiped off the face of the earth.

Now tell me, does THIS movie lack a story? This movie has the most beautiful story ever attempted in Indian cinema. Unfortunately, Indian viewers and critics are obsessed with the “boy meets girl” and “revenge” themes, so they fail to see the story in this master piece.

- Chaos Theory

All what is said here is not to be a fanatic about being a Sivite. When you say you are a sivite, you fail to see the god, as you give importance to being a Sivite. Wen we talk about a universal God – there is no religion, we all pray to that one god. It is Terrific Lyrics.

Truly
Oonak Kannil Paarthaal Yaavum Kutramthaan
Gnanak Kannil Paarthaal Yavum Suttamthaan

Thanks,
Arvind

“Voonak Kannil Paataal Yaavum Kutramthaan
Nyanak Kannil Paataal Yaarum Suttamthaan” a whom so ever if he is spiritually ignorant will find fault in everything and everyone like the king depicted in this song and like the guys are finding fault in this song..
and one who has the true spirituality will see everyones fault as there innocense… i hope u people understand…